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Legalising Cannabis
Topic Started: Feb 14 2007, 02:22 PM (372 Views)
Cartoni
Garry Pendrey
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It's the thin end of the wedge argument. Once you legalise or de-criminalise you've opened the door to those who want all drugs legalised and it's like the proverbial 'crack in the dam', hard to stop once there is momentum to it. (sorry for mixing my metaphors there).

I used to be of the legalise all drugs opinion, if some want them then let them have them and they can take the consequences of their actions. The trouble is we all end up suffering the consequences and its really about what kind of a society you want to live in. Personally I don't want to live in one that gives into a minority who want to get high on drugs that the rest of us have to pay for through crime, anti social behaviour and societal breakdown.

The question is why do so many kids want to take drugs and get bladdered every night. For me so much is down to a generation of useless worthless and valueless 'parents' (and I use the term very loosely) who don't give a toss about their responsibilities to the children they casually bring into the world and casually blame everyone else for their failure and selfishness.
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bornblues64
Mikael Forssell
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Cartoni
Feb 14 2007, 07:03 PM
It's the thin end of the wedge argument. Once you legalise or de-criminalise you've opened the door to those who want all drugs legalised and it's like the proverbial 'crack in the dam', hard to stop once there is momentum to it. (sorry for mixing my metaphors there).

I used to be of the legalise all drugs opinion, if some want them then let them have them and they can take the consequences of their actions. The trouble is we all end up suffering the consequences and its really about what kind of a society you want to live in. Personally I don't want to live in one that gives into a minority who want to get high on drugs that the rest of us have to pay for through crime, anti social behaviour and societal breakdown.

The question is why do so many kids want to take drugs and get bladdered every night. For me so much is down to a generation of useless worthless and valueless 'parents' (and I use the term very loosely) who don't give a toss about their responsibilities to the children they casually bring into the world and casually blame everyone else for their failure and selfishness.

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garrybaldy
foley okenla, richie moran
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bornblues64
Feb 14 2007, 06:52 PM


And yes there are cases where people start on cannabis and go on to harder things, but that is not cannabis making you do that it is your own willpower and commonsense.


absolute Bullshat
and who bought alcohol into the reckoning
All pro lobbyists do this, bleat on about Alcohol

why don't you grow up, realise canabis is a lot more harmful than what you make it out to be, to blame commonsense and willpower is rubbish, especially when you apply it to real life
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vicar in a tutu
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Kenny Burns
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It grows out the ground? To make Cannabis illegal is like saying that nature and evolution is wrong???

Saying that Cannabis is the root of harder drugs is nonsense. Cannabis serves a thousand different purposes, all of them positive.

Free yourselves siblings, in the words of Bob Dylan..."Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters" (I don't know what that means but it sounds rather apt what?)

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Sameth
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There are many comparisons that can be made with smoking, they are both harmful to health, cigarettes probably more so. Problem is that legalising it will probably take a lot of money from the police and other public services, and sticking it into the NHS.
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bornblues64
Mikael Forssell
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garrybaldy
Feb 14 2007, 07:32 PM
bornblues64
Feb 14 2007, 06:52 PM


And yes there are cases where people start on cannabis and go on to harder things, but that is not cannabis making you do that it is your own willpower and commonsense.


absolute Bullshat
and who bought alcohol into the reckoning
All pro lobbyists do this, bleat on about Alcohol

why don't you grow up, realise canabis is a lot more harmful than what you make it out to be, to blame commonsense and willpower is rubbish, especially when you apply it to real life

So on the other hand why is everyone that smokes cannabis not a crack addict???

just like some people know when to stop drinking, you get others cant stop till they are bladdered,

Just like you get some people hooked on prescription drugs and other people take the same drugs with no problem.

I smoke cannabis, have never commited a crime under the influence of it, never harmed anyone else by doing it, so what is wrong with legalising it.

Its like all drugs known to mankind, they affect different people in different ways,

All i am trying to say is that there is more harm caused to families etc through alcohol than cannabis, look at the people walking round smacked up to their tits on prescription drugs given by a doctor.
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baron von bluenose
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Bob Latchford
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its only been legalised because they cannot control it.

there should be no place in modern society for drugs,people rob other people just to buy it
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Peter Enckelman
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bornblues64
Feb 14 2007, 08:06 PM
garrybaldy
Feb 14 2007, 07:32 PM
bornblues64
Feb 14 2007, 06:52 PM


And yes there are cases where people start on cannabis and go on to harder things, but that is not cannabis making you do that it is your own willpower and commonsense.


absolute Bullshat
and who bought alcohol into the reckoning
All pro lobbyists do this, bleat on about Alcohol

why don't you grow up, realise canabis is a lot more harmful than what you make it out to be, to blame commonsense and willpower is rubbish, especially when you apply it to real life

So on the other hand why is everyone that smokes cannabis not a crack addict???

just like some people know when to stop drinking, you get others cant stop till they are bladdered,

Just like you get some people hooked on prescription drugs and other people take the same drugs with no problem.

I smoke cannabis, have never commited a crime under the influence of it, never harmed anyone else by doing it, so what is wrong with legalising it.

Its like all drugs known to mankind, they affect different people in different ways,

All i am trying to say is that there is more harm caused to families etc through alcohol than cannabis, look at the people walking round smacked up to their tits on prescription drugs given by a doctor.

Completely agree bornblues. No disrespect garry, i realise its just because its a painful subject for you and all that, but saying 'grow up' because of a different opinion is just wrong.

There is far more evidence to suggest that cannabis does NOT lead to stronger drugs than does. In fact, in all honesty, most people like weed or they like harder drugs. They dont tend to mix. I'm at uni and there is a definite split between the two. Basically there are those who like the chilled out, monged out feel of weed, then there are those who like the high, buzzing feeling of harder drugs.

Sadly, a certain few people through many reasons such as clinical depression or simply being an angst ridden teenager will try anything to make life feel better. It just so happens that many start on cannabis then move on when it doesn't help because weed is simply the easiest to get hold of. If it were some other drug that was easier they would start on that instead.

I am definitely for legalising cannabis though, apart from a recent trip to amsterdam, i dnt smoke it myself. It just makes sense to take away the lure of breaking the law from kids, and it also makes sense to tax it, whilst helping those in pain with certain conditions.

Just my opinion. I appreciate you wont agree garry and i understand why. My deepest condolences go to you.
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Mash
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First of all my condolences go to Gary and his family.
Im not all that bothered about it being legalised or not but it is definately not a hard drug imo. I smoke it from time to time but dont pay for it. It has never made me think, ahh i want to try some pills or cocaine etc. I wouldnt be so stupid. It is very easy to get hold off and I know lots of kids who have tried it. About the debate between the alcahol being just as bad as weed. I would say its worse than weed because some people can get addicted to drink and do all sorts of things. My nan was an alcaholic and she lost her life because of it. Drink is worse Imo
Cannabis isnt as bad as some people think if you can control it
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bornblues64
Mikael Forssell
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Just a message to Garry, i have my viewpoint, but in no way am i putting down your viewpoint, you have obviously seen the worst scenaro there can ever be. All i can say is sorry if my comments upset you.
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Blues
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Mikael Forssell
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In an ideal world I'd have nothing against legalised cannabis but it's not an ideal world, it's a world half full of idiots and as with alcohol most of them shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the stuff.
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Malcom Page
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Considering they downgraded Cannabis 2 years ago and then upgraded 12 months after says it all for me.

They made a mistake legalising it and they put it right IMO.

Like I said I've been there and done it and so have a lot of people (well on this thread anyway) and fair play - if you can control it and it does not become an issue affecting those around you. **thumbup

Garry's point is that it does lead to more dangerous drugs with some people and when this happens it destroys life's.

If keeping it illegal stops x amount of people killing themselves because of it then great. IMO.
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mccp
Alex Govan
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If paracetamol was illegal, and all the currently addicted people had to get it from dealers, how long before they were offered a more powerful pain reliever - also illegal?

Cannabis gives great relief from pain to many sufferers of arthritus and associated joint and muscle problems. I know many people over sixty that use it and obtain it two or three times a year.
And yes, they get it off kids.

But its an equation of breaking the law or easing their pain.

It should be legal, on prescription and de-stigmatised.

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davekermito
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Changing the subject to legalising it's use for medical reasons rather than recreational purposes, I always find it strange that Diamorphine (aka heroin) and Cocaine derivitaves are legal to use in hospitals yet THC-extract from cannabis is not allowed? Why?
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garrybaldy
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bornblues64
Feb 15 2007, 12:34 AM
Just a message to Garry, i have my viewpoint, but in no way am i putting down your viewpoint, you have obviously seen the worst scenaro there can ever be. All i can say is sorry if my comments upset you.

No no offence taken ;) Born blues, i maybe did over react, but i do have problems with canabis not because of Richie, but some of the lads i know that have problems now, one has mental probs, one has Crohn's disease due to speed( different drug i know) but the common thread is they all started with canabis they cannot all of had no will power or no common sense , so i can only speak from my own view point

And everyone thanks for the condolences, i did not put the story up for sympathy, but i appreciate it all the same **thumbup

Another one to throw into the pot so to speak, As with Alcohol , which shoul have a no tolerance view when driving, what about the affects of canabis taking and driving
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davekermito
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Following your tangent, both alcohol and all drugs should have a zero tolerance when it comes to driving. I'm of the belief that if you can only have a couple of drinks in the pub, you might as well have none.
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davekermito
Feb 15 2007, 02:32 PM
Following your tangent, both alcohol and all drugs should have a zero tolerance when it comes to driving. I'm of the belief that if you can only have a couple of drinks in the pub, you might as well have none.

i agree the rule should be no drink/drugs when driving - just pull over and have a sip, you won't spill any then... ;)
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davekermito
Feb 14 2007, 02:22 PM
An estimated one-third of the British population have at least tried cannabis

I feel im missing out.

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